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this is not the fbi operational side but the political side, the real question will be what did the fbi tell the attorney general and what was justice's call on what to do with that information. and that question hasn't really surfaced yet but when it does it will certainly royal. >> sharyl atkinson reported on cbs this morning there are members of congress now demanding a joint committee to investigate this. if there are enough members of on congress hungry to do that that will likely hospital which will mean a full on colonoscopy on this store. there are so many details to be learned. >> rose: david, in cases like this when we do these looking back journalists do and looking who said what when, there are always questions that come up like this. who should have when they first heard this, said the president has to know this? >> well, i think john raised this issue. as it comes up, the chain of command and the fbi, the fbi embarked into the inquiry of the cia director. if i were the director, i would properly go to the person i work for and that's the attorney general holder and give hi
this is not the fbi operational side but the political side, the real question will be what did the fbi tell the attorney general and what was justice's call on what to do with that information. and that question hasn't really surfaced yet but when it does it will certainly royal. >> sharyl atkinson reported on cbs this morning there are members of congress now demanding a joint committee to investigate this. if there are enough members of on congress hungry to do that that will likely...
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to the fbi she communicates with a friend who she meets at a fbi commune a event. hey do you remember me, we were in touch can you look at somebody to look at this. he brings her to the cyber squd and they say where is this going to lead not knowing it was going of going to lead to the general's and so on. that's who jill kelly in the context of this case. who she is in the larger world is a tampa socialite married to a prominent although much lower profile and quiet radiologist from the moffett cancer center who was in the military community. she was on the social roster, she was on the socom that's special operations command social roster. she jumped with the parajumpers in a tan done jump. she attended the admiral's parties and affairs and so on. that's who she is in that context. >> rose: so she went to the cyber whatever the name was and then they began to look at her e-mails and who she received e-mails from and from that they found e-mails having to do with general john allen. >> right one of the ways you do a case, all right let's see who is sending the har
to the fbi she communicates with a friend who she meets at a fbi commune a event. hey do you remember me, we were in touch can you look at somebody to look at this. he brings her to the cyber squd and they say where is this going to lead not knowing it was going of going to lead to the general's and so on. that's who jill kelly in the context of this case. who she is in the larger world is a tampa socialite married to a prominent although much lower profile and quiet radiologist from the...
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john miller is with us now a former fbi assistant director. john, i want to ask you about the front page of the "the washington post" which suggests the fbi renewed focus on sensitive material that was found inside broadwell's home. are they expanding their focus? >> i think "the washington post" is expanding their focus. this has become a little headline driven. what the fbi is doing is what you would do at the end of any investigation but especially a high-profile investigation which is they are tying up the loose ends which is okay classified documents were found in her computer in which he were examining in the first part of the case. were there other computers? yes. what about paper documents. they want to pick all that up and go through it and say is there any other classified material in here. is it still classified. they have to bring this all to a prosecutor, the alleged stalking allegations, the classified documents and they are either going to have to say there enough to go forward and it's complicated. she does have a secret cleara
john miller is with us now a former fbi assistant director. john, i want to ask you about the front page of the "the washington post" which suggests the fbi renewed focus on sensitive material that was found inside broadwell's home. are they expanding their focus? >> i think "the washington post" is expanding their focus. this has become a little headline driven. what the fbi is doing is what you would do at the end of any investigation but especially a high-profile...
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what does this mean, the questions to the new fbi director? >> this is going to be a very tough scrub on what did the fbi director know about this case and when did he know it? what did the attorney general learn from the fbi and when did he learn it? because what they really want to get to, nora, is why weren't the committees told under the national security act that an investigation, not targeting but where the issue of the cia comes up. >> and why they didn't feel that the president should be notified. >> that's right. >> so what do you think the fbi is going to have to change about the way it goes about this? >> well, i think the fbi and the department of justice is going to say, we did a careful legal analysis. you're supposed to notify the white house and the congress about significant intelligence activities and this was a criminal, not intelligence investigation into a stalking case that looked like it had more to do with an affair than a security compromise. i think this is going to cause them to relook at all of that and say how do w
what does this mean, the questions to the new fbi director? >> this is going to be a very tough scrub on what did the fbi director know about this case and when did he know it? what did the attorney general learn from the fbi and when did he learn it? because what they really want to get to, nora, is why weren't the committees told under the national security act that an investigation, not targeting but where the issue of the cia comes up. >> and why they didn't feel that the...
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between themmis complicated: involving the fbi, cia, ppntagon, the white houseeand congress. "i am puzzled by much of what has occurred in to an affair with broadwell, which amm to light when the fbi investigated what one u-s official has described ass "jealous" emails broadwell sent to elley. now, general allen is under investigation for allegedly sending to kelley email messages one defense official escrrbed as "flirtatiius." defense officials say authorities are pages of documents. "it - really makes yoo wonderrhow he it, and the motivation to do o - that from afar." the news about allen--which the national security council spooesman says president obama learned about the same day petraeus resigned-- has put allen's nominntion to be nato's supreme allied commander on hold..allen denies any wrongdoing and &premains on duty in afghanistan. "the presidentt has great confidence ii the military, great coofidence in the commander, and will continue to have that confidence." a defenss official tells cnn there's a defense department ty" the investigation into allennis connected to
between themmis complicated: involving the fbi, cia, ppntagon, the white houseeand congress. "i am puzzled by much of what has occurred in to an affair with broadwell, which amm to light when the fbi investigated what one u-s official has described ass "jealous" emails broadwell sent to elley. now, general allen is under investigation for allegedly sending to kelley email messages one defense official escrrbed as "flirtatiius." defense officials say authorities are...
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senior fbi officials are scheduled to brief congressional investigators today on the affair that broke down cia director david patraeus. they'll ask about thousands of emails between a tampa socialite. daniel nottingham has more. >> reporter: he will testify about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi libya. before he handed in his resignation he was scheduled to appear at hearings this week. the details of the new hearings are being worked out. president obama is expected to face questions about the scandal that forced patraeus to step down at a news conference today. the widening investigation the s now jeopardizing general john allen's future. the pentagon is looking at emails he exchanged with joe kelly. sources described them as potentially inappropriate and flirtatious. >> these allegations are shocking to everybody that knows general allen. he's a terrific officer. he's also done a really good job in afghanistan. >> the white house and lawmakers continue to express confidence in general allen's leadership of u.s. troops if afghanistan while his promotion to become
senior fbi officials are scheduled to brief congressional investigators today on the affair that broke down cia director david patraeus. they'll ask about thousands of emails between a tampa socialite. daniel nottingham has more. >> reporter: he will testify about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi libya. before he handed in his resignation he was scheduled to appear at hearings this week. the details of the new hearings are being worked out. president obama is expected...
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it's got a shirtless fbi agent. i mean it's got all the makings of a great story. >> reporter: post says the kelleys find themselves in the media vortex that could have the power couple cashing in on their instant celebrity. >> this story, i suspect, is going to go on quite some time and i would not be surprised if there was not a book about it, a movie about it and lots and lots of news coverage. >> gloria gomez reporting for us. one more note about general petraeus. since he's resigned the acting cia director will testify in his place this thursday about the deadly benghazi attack. congress wants to know who knew what and when. >>> breaking news from mississippi, three people are dead after a small plane crashed into a home in jackson. the plane had engine trouble shortly after taking off from the airport. the three victims were passengers. one person escaped from the home. >>> developing tonight americans from states across the country are threatening to secede from the union. thousands have signed a petition on
it's got a shirtless fbi agent. i mean it's got all the makings of a great story. >> reporter: post says the kelleys find themselves in the media vortex that could have the power couple cashing in on their instant celebrity. >> this story, i suspect, is going to go on quite some time and i would not be surprised if there was not a book about it, a movie about it and lots and lots of news coverage. >> gloria gomez reporting for us. one more note about general petraeus. since...
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when the fbi, yes, worked on crime, but under hoover the fbi worked on politics, too. the agency's efforts in the latter undermined everything the nation needed from the fbi on the former. that's why congress ordered reforms for the fbi after watergate. investigating crime while also secretly playing politics is a combination with a bad outcome. that's one of the things we learned from the scandal of the nixon administration and its downfall, but also from decades watching j. edgar hoover operate. last week we learned general david petraeus had an affair. the fbi discovered that affair over the summer while it was looking into something else. those revelations led to protest from members of congress that they had not been told sooner than last week, along with everyone else. they wanted to be notified about this. ranking democrat on the intelligence committee dianne feinstein says the fbi should have told congress, bipartisan, republican, homeland security committee calms alerting congress in an instance like this the fbi's obligation. lawmakers are sure to demand answ
when the fbi, yes, worked on crime, but under hoover the fbi worked on politics, too. the agency's efforts in the latter undermined everything the nation needed from the fbi on the former. that's why congress ordered reforms for the fbi after watergate. investigating crime while also secretly playing politics is a combination with a bad outcome. that's one of the things we learned from the scandal of the nixon administration and its downfall, but also from decades watching j. edgar hoover...
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he admitted to an affair that came to life when the fbi investigated what were described as a jealous e-mail's now general allen is under investigation for allegedly sending kelly's e-mail messages that one described as flirtatious, there is cowering 20-30 pages of documents. it really makes you wonder how he would even have the time to do it and the motivation to do that from afar. the news about allen which president obama large about the same day that david petraeus and, allen denies any wrongdoing and remains on duty in afghanistan. we will continue to have that confidence. a defense official tells us there's a distinct possibility that the defense department is connected to him and the fbi investigation. fbi agents removed property from rockwell's north carolina home on monday. >> she is cooperating which is a good idea the answer it may show of national security was threatened by personal choices. public and private sector leaders all descending on the white house this week looking for ways to turn around the economy and avoid the impending fiscal cliff they are sharing their op
he admitted to an affair that came to life when the fbi investigated what were described as a jealous e-mail's now general allen is under investigation for allegedly sending kelly's e-mail messages that one described as flirtatious, there is cowering 20-30 pages of documents. it really makes you wonder how he would even have the time to do it and the motivation to do that from afar. the news about allen which president obama large about the same day that david petraeus and, allen denies any...
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months before the fbi was brought on to the case. >> that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting. some lawmakers are demanding that general petraeus testify at some point about the deadly attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi which he independently investigated. >>> incumbent senator scott brown of massachusetts who lost to elizabeth warren is calling on his republican party to move to the middle. >> we need to be a larger party. i'm a pro-choice moderate republican, there's a vanishing breed. you know that now. you've lost joe lieberman, richard lugar, kent conrad, me, olympia snowe. that group in the middle, it's vanishing and there are on both sides there are extremes as you all know kind of pushing back against the middle. i've always felt that that group in the middle is, quite frankly, the most powerful group because they're able to get to that 60-vote fleshhold and get things done so i'm hopeful we'll be a more tolerant, you know, open-minded party. >> there is speculation that brown could make another run for national if president obama names senator john kerry to his c
months before the fbi was brought on to the case. >> that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting. some lawmakers are demanding that general petraeus testify at some point about the deadly attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi which he independently investigated. >>> incumbent senator scott brown of massachusetts who lost to elizabeth warren is calling on his republican party to move to the middle. >> we need to be a larger party. i'm a pro-choice moderate republican,...
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fbi failure. the fbi investigated the petraeus affair beginning with fears the cia's director's e-mail had been hacked at the beginning of the summer. yet lawmakers and the president were not told about it for six months, until after the election. under growing pressure and criticism, the fbi will be testifying on its role in the scandal. they'll go behind closed doors with members of the house intelligence committee demanding to who knew what and when they knew it. suzanne kelly. what are lawmakers going to find out? >> well, they're going to have some meetings tomorrow on the hill that are going to come before hearings open thursday. and michael morell, acting director of the cia and sean joyce will be involved in these meetings. they'll be asked a lot of questions about what they knew about the petraeus investigation, when they knew it, and why they didn't come forward. a couple things at play here, erin. one is, keep in mind, the fbi itself has said very little about this case so far. publicly
fbi failure. the fbi investigated the petraeus affair beginning with fears the cia's director's e-mail had been hacked at the beginning of the summer. yet lawmakers and the president were not told about it for six months, until after the election. under growing pressure and criticism, the fbi will be testifying on its role in the scandal. they'll go behind closed doors with members of the house intelligence committee demanding to who knew what and when they knew it. suzanne kelly. what are...
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when asked if the fbi should have revealed the investigation to him in the country prior to the election, the president withheld judgement. >> it's possible had we been told, you would be sitting here asking me a question why were you interfering in a criminal investigation. >> reporter: on the fiscal cliff the country faces at the end of the year, the president insisted he would not extend cuts for well -- for the wealthy and demanded that middle class tax cuts get extended now. >> i am confident folks in both parties can make that happen. what i'm not going to do is to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% we can't afford and, according to economists, we'll have the least positive impact on our economy. >> reporter: the president grew emotional when asked about republicans who have blasted u.n. ambassador susan rice for her comments on the benghazi attack, adding it would not affect her possible nomination as secretary of state. >> for them to go after the u.n. ambassador who had nothing to do with benghazi and was making a presentation based on intelligence show received and to b
when asked if the fbi should have revealed the investigation to him in the country prior to the election, the president withheld judgement. >> it's possible had we been told, you would be sitting here asking me a question why were you interfering in a criminal investigation. >> reporter: on the fiscal cliff the country faces at the end of the year, the president insisted he would not extend cuts for well -- for the wealthy and demanded that middle class tax cuts get extended now....
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the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet, and he thought that the justice department and the fbi were dragging their feet, so he -- that's why he went to the hill. >> okay. let me get back to david on this, on the military end of this thing. why was petraeus basically forced to resign? why did the matter come to his superior, mr. clapper, head of intelligence -- all the intelligence services? why was it going through channels? why did he get confronted with basically a request to resign? how did that happen if this wasn't criminal, what he was doing? >> because he wasn't on active duty,
the fbi agent was never on the case. he brought the information to the fbi, but he was never part of the original investigation because he was a friend of miss kelley's. >> so what is all this thing about him being frustrated because he wasn't on the case? what was that about? >> he was frustrated because he learned about the information that was being gathered. he brought the original case, he was frustrated that the information about petraeus and broadwell had not come out yet,...
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months before the fbi was brought on to the case. the white house is backing general allen, officials say his nomination to nato could be derailed, if he can't get past the controversy of being swept up in this scandal. brian? >> andrea mitchell starting us off from washington tonight. andrea, thanks. >>> jill kelley's name has come up in connection with two of this nation's top commanders. more on her story tonight from nbc's kristen welker. >> mrs. kelley, how are you doing? >> reporter: jill kelley was well known in social circles around tampa, long before she became fodder for the tabloids of new york. she and her husband threw lavish parties at their ten-bedroom home that sold for $1.5 million in 2004. black tie, top notch catering, a couple about town. >> jill is always smiling, vivacious. >> reporter: aaron publishes tampa bay magazine that features fancy parties and ads for high end merchandise. the kelley's frequented its pages. >> there was always a bevy of people surrounding them. it seemed like no matter where they went,
months before the fbi was brought on to the case. the white house is backing general allen, officials say his nomination to nato could be derailed, if he can't get past the controversy of being swept up in this scandal. brian? >> andrea mitchell starting us off from washington tonight. andrea, thanks. >>> jill kelley's name has come up in connection with two of this nation's top commanders. more on her story tonight from nbc's kristen welker. >> mrs. kelley, how are you...
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not for the fbi. so the fbi still has some explaining to do in my mind. >> eliot: why the distinction if there is a legitimate reason or maybe the facts are different between the way general petraeus has offered his resignation and the president expressing support for general allen. is there a reason for that distinction that you can discern? >> absolutely. first off general allen's behavior flirting -- many things are against the military code of justice but flirting isn't. that being said, i can absolutely understand the secretary's actions where general allen is concerned at this point. the real question -- what's happening is general allen was up, as you said, to take over as nato's supreme allied commander. that's a senate-confirmed position. any time that there is an investigation, regardless of whether it has any merit or not that investigation is always concluded before you put somebody in front of the senate committee for them to go ahead and confirm or not confirm the person. so in this case
not for the fbi. so the fbi still has some explaining to do in my mind. >> eliot: why the distinction if there is a legitimate reason or maybe the facts are different between the way general petraeus has offered his resignation and the president expressing support for general allen. is there a reason for that distinction that you can discern? >> absolutely. first off general allen's behavior flirting -- many things are against the military code of justice but flirting isn't. that...
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so the fbi is the place to go. >> the deputy director of the fbi shawn joyce is going to make an appearance on capitol hill to brief leaders of the house and senate intelligence committee to say why they also were not kept in the loop regarding the investigation of general petraeus. this story has taken several strange turns in the past 24-hours. we caught our first glimpse of paula broadwell and found her driver's license was found on a jogging trail in washington. the scandal that started with broadwell has ballooned to include the top u.s. commander in afghanistan general john allen accused of sending several00 e-mails to kelley that were like phone-sex over e-mail. it is time right now to hold off judging general allen. >> general allen is doing an excellent job in leading the forces. he has my continued confidence to lead other forces and to continue the fight. his nomination has been put on hold as a prudent measure until we determine what the facts are. >> general allen is a decemb distinguished marine and commander who has been an important part of the nato isap mission. i don't hav
so the fbi is the place to go. >> the deputy director of the fbi shawn joyce is going to make an appearance on capitol hill to brief leaders of the house and senate intelligence committee to say why they also were not kept in the loop regarding the investigation of general petraeus. this story has taken several strange turns in the past 24-hours. we caught our first glimpse of paula broadwell and found her driver's license was found on a jogging trail in washington. the scandal that...
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i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so maybe the president will put some of those things to rest tomorrow. but the fbi really hasn't come out and said much at all so a lot of the information that's been coming out about this case has been through leaks and anonymous sources. >> i think the reason the fbi is not saying anything is because this is going to be deeply embarrassing when we get to the bottom of it. thank you both very much. >>> i want to turn to a member of general petraeus' inner circle, his former spokesman, colonel steve boylan. colonel, thank you for joining me. when did you last speak to david petraeus? >> i spoke with
i think really, too, the focus tomorrow is going to be on the fbi and the fbi's deputy director, sean joyce, is going to have some hearings. as you heard right at the top of the show, piers, members of congress are very upset that they weren't notified about this. was there a national security risk, if there was, they should have been notified. if there wasn't a national security risk, why did the fbi go to james clapper, the director of national intelligence, on the night of the election. so...
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a further look by the fbi into kelly's e-mails revealed hundreds between kelly and allen. 20,000 to 30,000 pages of communication in all. secretary of defense leon panetta put general allen's promotion to nato supreme commander on hold and ordered a full investigation of the allen/kelly relationship. >> today, the secretary directed the matter be referred to the inspector general of the department of defense for investigation. >> reporter: jill kelly spent the day at her home in tampa not answering questions. in the background, a television could be seen with news coverage of the payton place like military sex scandal that focused attention on who she and is how she end up in the admit of it all. the license plate on kelly's mercedes-benz, shows she is honorary counsel for south korea. in 911 phone calls, kelly told the dispatcher she deserved protection from the media us because of that. >> i am an honorary consul general, they should not be able to profit, i don't know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well. but that's against the law to cross my property since it's in
a further look by the fbi into kelly's e-mails revealed hundreds between kelly and allen. 20,000 to 30,000 pages of communication in all. secretary of defense leon panetta put general allen's promotion to nato supreme commander on hold and ordered a full investigation of the allen/kelly relationship. >> today, the secretary directed the matter be referred to the inspector general of the department of defense for investigation. >> reporter: jill kelly spent the day at her home in...
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she mentioned it to a friend of hers who works at the fbi. the fbi all of a sudden is looking into personal emails. >> the law of unintended consequences. think about that for a minute. it starts out with someone saying what am i getting these harassing emails? where are they coming from? all of a sudden it leads to all this. >> let's be careful here. >> no way. >> how is this working? >> here's the reality. what happens is there is this protection. we all know about the fourth amendment, right? the right protection. there's some measure of protection, and there's also an electronic protection privacy act. the problem, ashleigh, is it was enacted in 1986. >> we didn't even carry cell phones with us at that time, so it's outdated. why is that relevant? it's relevant because of this. if are you transmitting emails, there's a level of protection. if those emails that are stored on a server and they're there for six months, they're deemed abandoned, and as a result of that, the government without a warrant can now say, look, this person is a subj
she mentioned it to a friend of hers who works at the fbi. the fbi all of a sudden is looking into personal emails. >> the law of unintended consequences. think about that for a minute. it starts out with someone saying what am i getting these harassing emails? where are they coming from? all of a sudden it leads to all this. >> let's be careful here. >> no way. >> how is this working? >> here's the reality. what happens is there is this protection. we all know...